Monday, July 23, 2007

Quick! Call the Cops! Mum's making gravy...

Where is our society headed?
Several weeks ago, I was making a lovely prime rib of beef for Sunday dinner, complete with yorkshire pudding, steamed vegetables, mashed potatoes and gravy. My gravy recipe requires a teaspoon of red wine, but I was unable to find the bottle of wine that I had stored in the pantry. I told the kids I was going to the corner store and that I would be right back. My ten year old daughter asked why, and I told her that I was going to purchase a bottle of wine. Her response was, "You can't feed us wine! That's illegal - you'll get us drunk! You know, I can call the police on you." I was stunned and subsequently outraged that my own child would think and feel that way. There have been other instances of my children attempting to take the upper hand - aka; avoiding doing what is asked of them... My older daughter also flatly refuses to pay rent, even though she is working. She told me that I am obligated by law to support her until she reaches the age of nineteen. That is incorrect, but my true point is that she has to help contribute to the family and learn to be a contributing member of society - laws be damned! Another time, I was feeling pushed to my limits dealing with the kids, so instead of taking it out further upon my children, I left and went to a friend's house just up the hill to relax and cool off. My cell phone rang while I was there and it was our local detachment of the RCMP. I was floored when I found out my children had phoned the police and the law said they could charge me with abandonment - what the heck is that all about? (In my own defence, the kids knew where I was, they knew how to contact me, I was gone up the street for a total of two hours and I did promise them I would be back). Society appears to be creeping into our living rooms and snatching away any of the empowerment that we, as parents, require in order to raise and teach our children to look after themselves and become accountable adults. The school system refuses to discipline our future generation (for fear of litigious repercussions) and the students receive no consequences for their actions. Or the teachers simply send a recalcitrant child home for the parent to deal with - in other words, a day off school for said student. The teachers are forced by society to pass the buck and force the parent to cope with an unknown situation - one that the school system should be dealing with themselves. We are not allowed to spank our children, raise our voices to them or oblige them to do anything they don't want to do...eg. homework or household chores. I have a serious problem with this metamorphosis that society is going through. It is threatening our mere existence as responsible adults and the future of our children. Television, the media, internet, video games and any virtual form of communication is further removing everyone from the physical reality of life. Global communication is not all that it's cracked up to be and I believe we are isolating ourselves more than ever as a result. Humans are a herd animal and we will not survive without the rest of the pack. Our future is with our children - it is a simple law of nature. We have to be trusted to be able to nurture, punish, support and raise our own children in a way we see fit.
Or where will our society end up?

28 comments:

  1. A footnote - the wine that should have been in my pantry was taken by my under age daughter without permission...

    ReplyDelete
  2. On this note, I will be blogging off for the time being.

    I have many issues to deal with right now that need my undivided attention and I cannot be distracted.

    I will hover and lurk, of course...

    ReplyDelete
  3. This comment has been removed by the author.

    ReplyDelete
  4. This comment has been removed by the author.

    ReplyDelete
  5. Dale i agree whole heartedly with your statment..it has to be the hardest time for parents and teachers and even children..where are the boundry lines?..
    Society seems to be giving rights to the younger generation and they inturn aren't sure what to do with them..so of course they will push it to the limits..
    We were brought up with strict ruling..didn't do us any harm..
    who in their infinite wisdom thinks this is the way it should be?..it hasn't solved crime..

    Will look out for you lurking..you go and sort it out, look after yourself in the process..

    your only human after all..

    ReplyDelete
  6. Spare the rod, spoil the child.

    Nothing has changed.

    ReplyDelete
  7. Dale, speaking as a teacher, it's usually the parents who refuse to allow their children to take the consequences for their actions and then actively fight the school if any kind of punishment is handed out.

    "Society" is comprised of the people in it and you're right that fear of litigation has caused a lot of this, but only because schools and individuals are getting successfully sued in these cases. I could bore you with so many stories of parents refusing to let their kids accept any kind of consequences, but I suspect you already know them or similar ones. I think a lot of today's parents just want to be "friends" instead of parents and also feel tremendous guilt for working too long and hard and don't invest the energy into providing boundaries and proper discipline.

    It's the hardest job to do well, and I tip my hat to those who do it.

    xx
    AM

    P.S. In our day, didn't we beg for the watered down wine? My how times have changed...

    ReplyDelete
  8. Anne-Marie, you brought up a point that I considered making on my post, but I figured it might come up in some of the comments.

    The lawyers are winning these litigation cases and setting precedences in our legal system.
    The law of precedence is what our system is based upon.
    Before long there will be a "glut" of precedence in the system.

    No wonder so many are running scared and trying to cover their butts...

    We need to take back our rights to make decisions and accept the consequences - for our childrens' sake, too.

    ReplyDelete
  9. Excellent blog post. I watch the horror parents and teachers both have to put up with in the intrusion of the Brave New World, heartedly thankful that my son is now 26. The fact that the state has put into children's heads the Orwellian philosophy of manipulation of parents...is sick, and then like Anne-Marie says you get those parents who allow their children all behaviors making it obvious that in 50 years the world will be inhabited by more sociopaths then it is now.

    ReplyDelete
  10. hear bloody hear!
    Our generation was in many instances badly abused, so we have gone so far the other way, we can't do anything. I am hpoing our kids will grow up, realize what little bastards some of them were, and find a happy meduim of not beating their kids pillar to post, but commanding some respect from them.
    I go through so much of this, and see a frightening amount of it at the youth centre, plus from my own kids. Actually, not so much my youngest, but my oldest. And the little beggars feed off their friends. My oldest spends a lot of time with a family that has let their children essentially run amok for years, and he views me as this horrid parent that is far too controlling. And god forbid I attempt to punish him. Honestly, I have come very close lately to giving the lad a good uppercut, which it would have to be as he is several inches taller then me. Arrogant little jerk, he can be. Yet still not as bad as some others I see.
    I have no idea what to do with him, but life is going to knocj him a few serious blows if he doesn't start listening bit more.
    I hate to see it, but... it will happen.
    Have any of your watched Brat Camp? I have only seen one episode. Made me chuckle.
    I had to erase most of this comment as I get so passionate about this issue, and I have to sometimes take care what I say.
    :)
    Take care of you Dale. And breathe...

    ReplyDelete
  11. Ouch Dale, this really hurt. I was appalled to read that your kids have been so influenced by this damaging line that society is taking. That must be terribly hard to cope with and the feeling of impotence in the face of what are now laws against effective parenting must be frustrating and terribly worrying.

    If we look at nature, which cannot be twisted by human logic, parents of the animal kingdom use both discipline and tenderness to nurture their young, and teach them how to find their place in the pack. As you say, humans are also pack animals and we should be wary of ignoring that which works so well in the natural world. We should also be wary of do-gooders in society who promote children's rights to the exclusion of parental responsibility. Since when did a ten year old have the maturity to exercise his/her 'rights' in a responsible fashion in any event!

    As Gypsy says, we were brought up very strictly, and it didn't do us any harm. Indeed it taught us tor espect not just our parents but each other as well.

    ReplyDelete
  12. Children reporting their parents to the police...
    Sounds awfully familiar. Let's see. Stasi in Ulbricht's Germany. Securitate in Romania. Secret police in China, the Third Reich.

    I wish you a lot of strength and wisdom, Dale.

    ReplyDelete
  13. Damn, I'm glad my kid is an adult. I don't think I could raise a kid now. I'd probably be in prison for beating his rear end!
    Things need to return to the good old days when we were kids. When our parents and teachers were the boss and we listened. When they said jump, we asked how high?
    Hope you get everything sorted out. I'll be thinking of you.

    Zoe

    ReplyDelete
  14. Hi Dale,

    Great post, I do not have kids, but have noticed in todays society, children are so quick to jump on the abuse, etc. wagon. You are so right, but being so young they watch TV, go on the internet etc. They are unable to make the distinction between what is really right and wrong; and discipline from their parents. They are just following what they hear, and it is so misleading. I think too much media is poisoning society, robots - not thinking for themselves, not stopping and questioning, and thinking. I do not mean any disrespect for you or your children. Times are different today, hard to say when it changed. I did not have the thought pattern kids have today. I can see it when I am working doing hair, there is no real appreciation, they are fairly detached, like - 'whatever'. I guess they don't have respect. Not always the parents, socitey in general is not teaching respect. guess that is it?

    take care, hope you are well

    ReplyDelete
  15. I can't believe they called the RCMP on you!

    This is a topic that Shannon and I have discussed a lot - how to discipline in today's society and how to raise repectful children. Scares us to no end sometimes.

    Reminds me years ago of when my mom was over visiting a friend of hers - the friend's 5 year old daughter came home from school and demanded a cookie. As it was near supper, her mother refused. The daughter, who was diabetic and prone to bruising easy, raised her voice and very firmly told her mother that if she didn't get a cookie, she would tell the teachers the next day that some of the bruises were due to her mother hitting her. 5 years old.

    Anyway - popped over here to tell you we are currently on a day-by-day babywatch. I'm really hoping it will be soon, although technically could be up to 3 weeks yet (they'll only let me go 4-5 days over tops).

    ReplyDelete
  16. Wow, Dale - what a powerful and thought-provoking post.

    It's so difficult to make a constructive, informed comment from this distance, but it sounds a little as though your kids may be lashing out at you for no other reason than the present circumstances - none of which, of course, are your fault, but logic has no part in such things. It must be very hard though not to get upset and angry about it - I certainly would be!

    I had no idea it was illegal anywhere to "feed" your kids wine! So many children around the world (including in this house) are brought up being offered very small tastes or heavily diluted glasses of wine with dinner. (If mine accept, which the younger two usually don't and the oldest often doesn't), they typically take a couple of sips and that's it, but it's an educative / socialising / respect for alcohol thing for me so I still offer it when I feel it's appropriate. So sue me, and probably half the parents in Europe as well!).

    As for the rent thing - hmmm. Even a token amount as a contributing member of the household would be nice, and a good life lesson. Or, if she's really struggling, perhaps some regular household jobs in kind? We haven't got to that stage yet, but will next year when my eldest starts a part-time music teaching job while at uni. She will certainly be expected to contribute one way or another!

    The school thing is difficult - I don't think it's the school's job to "parent", but they do need to provide a disciplinary framework which students either work within or accept the consequences. As Anne-Marie says though, many parents won't allow the school to impose sanctions on their children. It has to be a cooperative process between school, student and home to work, and sadly, it's sometimes missing on one or more sides.

    The threat of litigation is eroding much in our society, and it makes for some very bizarre situations. Maybe we need to get out of the courtroom and start some sensible mediation programs.

    Dale, you seem to have such a lot on your plate at the moment, and it seems very unfair on such a great person. I hope things start to smooth out for you soon.

    Anyway, yes, children have rights, but so do parents, and both need codes of conduct. I just like to think that most parents are capable of working these out for themselves, and setting appropriate boundaries and consequences for their kids without fear of paranoia-fed interference.

    ReplyDelete
  17. String - there must be a reason for everything... My kids are young now and hopefully I'll be able to instill a sense of resposibility in them.

    Steph - I believe you and I are both living in a "brat camp". I've not seen it, though. Your oldest sounds like my oldest and there are times I feel exactly the same as you.

    Val, welcome back! It is indeed very frustrating a wee bit scary... but I will not give up. There are times I feel that I am a stranger in my own home and I just want to run away, but my gut feelings keep me here. Really, where would they be without me?

    Margie - you may have hit the nail on the head when mentioning their present situation. Beneath the superficial anger, I am sure all 3 of my children are scared. It's up to me (as it always has been) to hang in there and let them know on no uncertain terms will I ever leave them...

    BUT, I require respect the same as anyone else!

    ReplyDelete
  18. Janey! Hope all goes well for you.
    Don't let the "do-gooders" get in the way of your effective parenting. You most likely learned through how your parents raised you - remember that.
    Also remember...you have a clean slate.

    Lots of hugs sent your way.

    ReplyDelete
  19. They called the RCMP on you??? What is up with THAT??

    I completely agree with your post. Kids are much too spoiled today, and know too much for their own good. I don't even have kids, and I know they are harder and harder to control. Where has the respect gone from days of yore?

    Don't you just remember when you were so happy when they were toddlers and just learning how to speak?? *L* Now we can't keep them quiet!

    ReplyDelete
  20. Ah yes: R-E-S-P-E-C-T. We all need and deserve it, and it's a word I pull out quite often.

    I remember only a few weeks ago one of the girls was having something of a hissy fit, and I invoked the magic word again, telling her it was competely unacceptable for her to speak to me, (or anyone!), as if I was something she was scraping off her shoe. Got an apology pretty quickly, which frankly was just as well.

    With her it was exam pressure that sent her over the edge that time, which supports your point: fear, change and uncertainty make for difficult times all round. Add in teenage hormones and you're sitting on a powder keg. You are amazing though, and they will thank you for never giving up on them even when things were toughest.

    ReplyDelete
  21. Learning to respect their parents is the first step to learning to respect those outside their own family circle. If society is eroding that fundamental step in a child's development, then we will have serious trouble on our hands. If respect goes out the door, chaos will move in.

    The fact that children are afraid and uncertain of their future is a reason but not an excuse to forget how to treat both their elders and their peers, so Dale, I send you love, strength and endurance to see your way through this. You will, I'm sure!

    ReplyDelete
  22. Of course the real question here is ...



    Please Dale, can we have your recipe for gravy?

    ReplyDelete
  23. I went through some dodgy times with Chantal..but you have to stand firm..having said that..she is married with a child now and still reverts back to a little toe rag teen at times..yikes!!

    ReplyDelete
  24. Mind you, have been known to revert myself too..

    ReplyDelete
  25. ssshhhhhhhhhhhh gypsy, you're not supposed to tell anyone that you revert!

    ReplyDelete
  26. Never reverted?! Hmmmm I seem to recall a Who concert not too long ago....

    You know, I also seem to recall that our parents' generation thought the world was going to hell in a handbasket when we were teenagers.

    "The more that things change, the more they stay the same"

    Geddy Lee
    Rush

    PS: Can I have your gravy recipe too?

    ReplyDelete
  27. Great post Dale......I agree that our society is pushing the BIG BROTHER routine a bit too far.
    My own children have, at various times said "I can call child welfare on you" For what? Trying to disipline them? Thankfully, neither one of them ever did this. I have had to explain to my girls, that my only obligation to them, morally and legally, is to send them to school, feed them, give them proper clothing and keep them safe. I don't have to go to the mall EVERY day to buy them something, keep them supplied with all the up to the moment electronic gadgets or allow them to be in situations that can be dangerous, whether or not it makes them popular with their friends!

    Don't you also love that while society tells us how to disipline our children, they tell us that it is up to Parents to MONITOR 24 hours a day the tv that their children watch or radio that they listen to. The media in our society has no obligations....only to their advertisers.

    Wasn't it a wonderful life for our parents; they knew that any tv we watched before 9pm was at the very least "suitable" for children. And the radio didn't allow any "bad" words. Now, at the time, I was all for George Carlin at the time, but now....all I can say is "look what they've done to my song, ma"

    Be well Dale.....and yes, do share that recipe with us ;)

    Sue

    ReplyDelete